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24 June 2021

Hi All,

I'm an Australia Citizen who has been residing overseas for a number of years now, during that time I have been investing into "iShares Core MSCI World UCITS ETF USD (Acc)" ---- IWDA.LSE which is domiciled in Ireland and pays no dividends, rather it is an accumulating ETF.

I am planning to move back to Australia at the end of this year and was hoping to understand how the ATO treats these kind of investments? What reporting needs to be done when submitting an Australia Tax Return? It seems very difficult if not impossible to determine exactly what dividends that are re-invested back into these kind of ETFs.If it is going to make my life a lot easier in the long run to dispose of this ETF and buy something domiciled in Australia instead, I am open to taking this action even if it will cost quite a bit in transaction fees. Appreciate anyones experience and advice on this particular topic as it seems to be hard to come by.Thank you.

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AriATO(Community Support)Community Support
ATO Certified Response25 June 2021

Hi @Light_Rain

Dividends reinvested are taxable as if you received a cash dividend and purchased more shares. If you're an Australian resident for tax purposes then you would report Foreign-source income at Item 20 on the individual tax return and you maybe eligible for a foreign income tax offset for any tax paid overseas.

I'm assuming you don't receive a statement with the relevant details so you'll need to decide what will work best for you to meet your tax obligations when you return.

Take a look at our website about Dividends reinvested and Tax return instructions for Foreign source income. You can also search our forum for ETF's to bring up questions other people have asked that you might find helpful.

Ari

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AriATO(Community Support)Community Support
ATO Certified Response25 June 2021

Hi @Light_Rain

Dividends reinvested are taxable as if you received a cash dividend and purchased more shares. If you're an Australian resident for tax purposes then you would report Foreign-source income at Item 20 on the individual tax return and you maybe eligible for a foreign income tax offset for any tax paid overseas.

I'm assuming you don't receive a statement with the relevant details so you'll need to decide what will work best for you to meet your tax obligations when you return.

Take a look at our website about Dividends reinvested and Tax return instructions for Foreign source income. You can also search our forum for ETF's to bring up questions other people have asked that you might find helpful.

Ari

_sekiNtoby(Newbie)Newbie
31 July 2021

Hi @Light_Rain

I had once thought about to raise an advance ruling request on those accumulating ETF products in the Ireland and LSE.

I received an similar answer here last time when I asked about accumulating ETF, saying reinvested dividend is taxable.

However, ATO does not seem to understand that some funds never declare dividends or distribution to their investors. At least one US listed company does not declare dividend in the last 30 years (BRK).

I invest via an Australia based brokers so they will provide me with the FY end statement. I will file my tax returns according to the number of the statement.

Thank you

Best Regards,

SnT

Heavyrain(I'm new)I'm new
21 Mar 2023

Hi @AriATO,


I'm quite confused by this. In a distributing ETF, the distribution of the dividend decreases the net value of the ETF with the exact amount distributed. In accumulating ETFs, this does not happen, meaning the dividend becomes part of the capital gain of the ETF.


If dividends in accumulating ETFs are taxed as if you received a cash dividend and purchased more shares, this means that the dividends are actually taxed twice: once as dividend and once as capital gains.


How do I avoid this double taxation?


Kind regards,

HR

dadioejk(Initiate)Initiate
19 Sept 2023

I wanted to follow up on our previous discussion to see if there has been any resolution regarding the matter we were addressing.


To provide more clarity on the subject, Accumulating UCITS ETFs, such as the one found at this link: [removed by moderator] accumulating are technically shares of an investment company with variable capital, organized as an umbrella fund.


When it comes to taxation, taxing the underlying dividends is equivalent to taxing the revenues of an offshore corporation, rather than its pre-tax profits.


It's crucial to note that these ETFs do not distribute dividends to their investors in the conventional sense. There isn't a corporate action involving dividends that are automatically reinvested. Instead, they receive dividends from their underlying holdings and reinvest them internally.


Furthermore, it's worth mentioning that corporations, unlike partnerships, are not "flow through" from a tax perpsetive. This results in a sort of tax "barrier" between the dividends generated from the underlying holdings and the shareholders, which includes individuals like myself, as well as other Australian taxable investors.


As a holder of offshore accumulating UCITS, one should not anticipate receiving dividends. The treatment of such holdings by the Australian Taxation Office (ATO) should align with the taxation of any other offshore stock. This typically involves capital gains tax upon the realization of profit and income tax on dividends, although in this case, dividends are non-existent for accumulating UCITS.


ATO - any further insights or clarifications will be highly appreciated :)

Darlay99(I'm new)I'm new
1 Nov 2023

@CatherineATO

Hi Catherine. Just wondering if you've had an update on this? I was under the impression that, given the entity enquired about is a foreign company that is not controlled by Australians, that accruals taxation no longer applies. As such, you only become liable for tax upon disposal of the asset.


Appreciate your assistance.

dhibro(Newbie)Newbie
24 Mar 2024

@Darlay99

Also really curious about this. Moving to Australia this year and wondering if it’s best to realise my gains on LSE Accumulating ETFs before making the move. Is it correct to say that all global ETFs in ASX are dividends based and none accumulating?

flyingBlind(Initiate)Initiate
11 Apr 2024

Hi,


This hasn't seemed to have been resolved, so I thought I'd just contribute by 2 cents worth...

(after re-reading this thread, I think I'm just agreeing with @dadioejk)


@Heavyrain If dividends are reinvested, it results in additional shares purchased at the current price, not a capital gain.


If there are ETFs out there that don't pay dividends at all, but reinvests all income in additional purchases, then there is no income to declare, but the value of the ETF increases by the income recieved, resulting in a capital gain.


The system works :)


Note that ETF payments aren't actually dividends, they are distributions containing various components: dividends, capital gains, interest, foreign income etc. You can't just put the payment as dividend income on your tax return.

Australian ETFs provide reports indicating the breakdown of these components for your tax return (a dividend and a DRP are taxed exactly the same).

Foreign ETFs that don't pay distributions (nor reinvestment options) but just build capital, shouldn't have anything to declare until you sell them, at which time you'll have a foreign captial gain to deal with.

Foreign ETFs that pay distributions (and/ or reinvest them in additional units of the ETF) will have those various components to be declared on your tax return, so if they don't provide a tax report, you might have some admin work to do.


I hope that helps somebody.

fusion(Newbie)Newbie
17 June 2024

It looks like the ATO still hasn't responded to this thread, so I thought I'd share some information that might be helpful (supplementing previous helpful input from others including @dadioejk and @flyingBlind). Please note that I'm not an accountant, tax lawyer or tax expert, so the below is simply my understanding and might not be accurate (and is not advice and should not be relied upon).


1. In the 2000s, Australia had a special tax regime applicable to "Foreign Investment Funds" (FIFs). This regime imposed "accruals taxation" on income and gains accumulating in foreign companies that were not controlled by Australians and foreign trusts, which had a punitive effect on investors in those FIFs (requiring annual payment of tax based on accumulated growth of the FIF, regardless of any distributions to FIF beneficiaries or any disposal of FIF interests by FIF beneficiaries). Fortunately, this FIF regime was repealed in 2010-11. See more information here: https://www.ato.gov.au/forms-and-instructions/foreign-income-return-form-guide/chapter-4-taxation-of-foreign-investment-fund-fif-interests ("Chapter 4 Taxation of foreign investment fund (FIF) interests")


2. According to the ATO's website referenced above ("Chapter 4 Taxation of foreign investment fund (FIF) interests"):


"If you have an interest in a FIF, you will be subject to the tax rules applicable to your circumstances; for example, if you have an interest in a foreign trust, you will be subject to the general tax rules relating to trust income (Division 6 of Part III) and may be subject to the transferor trust provisions (Division 6AAA of Part III). [...]


If you have an interest in a foreign company to which the CFC measures do not apply, you will be subject to the general tax rules relating to dividend income and shares."


3. On this basis, it's clear that if you invest in a foreign company (that is not a Controlled Foreign Company), such as Berkshire Hathaway, then you will only be taxed on any distributions made to you by the company and any CGT events in relation to your shareholding (e.g., if you sell shares), and you will not be taxed on any income received by the company itself. Conversely, if you invest in a foreign trust, then you will generally be taxed on your proportionate share of income received by the trustee (see Section 95AAA of the Income Tax Assessment Act 1936 for an overview of how tax on trust income works), as well as on any CGT events in relation to your interest in the trust (e.g., if you sell units in the trust).


4. A key question, therefore, is whether the accumulating ETFs which are the subject of this thread constitute foreign companies or foreign trusts for Australian tax purposes. On this question, the ATO made a ruling on a particular Ireland-domiciled UCITS Fund back in 2018: https://www.ato.gov.au/law/view/view.htm?docid=PRR/PR20181/NAT/ATO/00001&PiT=99991231235958 (PR 2018/1 "Income tax: tax consequences of investing in the HSBC UCITS Common Contractual Fund"). This ruling is only binding for the particular fund in question (the HSBC UCITS CCF), but it contains helpful analysis, cites relevant case law, and gives an insight into the ATO's thinking. In that ruling, the ATO determined that the UCITS Fund was a trust for Australian tax purposes and therefore Fund unitholders were subject to tax each year on the proportionate share of the Fund's net income to which they are presently entitled, and they become "presently entitled" to the proportionate share of the Fund's net income after the Fund manager has calculated the amount of fees/expenses that need to be paid out of the Fund's gross income for that year (which would presumably occur at least annually and therefore would require unitholders to pay tax annually).


5. In the HSBC UCITS CCF ruling, the ATO seemed to placed significant emphasis on the following provisions of the Fund's Deed of Constitution:


Each Unit represents an undivided co-ownership interest of a Unitholder with the other Unitholders in the Assets of the Fund. Units in the CCF are not shares but serve to determine the proportion of the underlying Assets of the CCF to which each Unitholder is beneficially entitled.


Unitholders are absolutely entitled to the income of the Funds as it arises whether or not a Gross Income Payment is made. No Unit shall confer any specific interest or share in any particular part of the Assets of the Fund.


These provisions seem to largely replicate the effect of a trust under Australian law, and (seemingly) made it easy for the ATO to conclude that the Fund was a trust for Australian tax purposes.


6. It's unclear whether the same analysis and outcome would apply to accumulating ETFs such as the "iShares Core MSCI World UCITS ETF" (SWDA) and the "iShares Core S&P 500 UCITS ETF" (CSPX). I looked closely at CSPX (the prospectus is available on the Blackrock iShares website, and the underlying Constitution is available on the Ireland Companies Registration Office website for €2.50). There are some key distinguishing features between CSPX and the HSBC UCITS CCF:


- CSPX is a segregated Fund maintained by a company named iShares VII plc (incorporated in Ireland), whereas the HSBC UCITS CCF was a collective investment vehicle that was not a company and instead was constituted under contract law and relevant Irish legislation by means of a Deed of Constitution


- iShares VII plc issues shares to CSPX investors, whereas the HSBC UCITS CCF issued units to investors


- nothing in the constitution of iShares VII plc or the Prospectus of CSPX indicates that shareholders have any vested interest in the income received by iShares VII plc (or the segregated Fund maintained by iShares VII plc), whereas the HSBC UCITS CCF Deed of Constitution contained the wording outlined above.


With these distinctions in mind, I think there's a reasonable argument that investing in CSPX is akin to investing in a foreign company and not a foreign trust (and therefore you would only be taxed on any distributions actually paid out to you by CSPX (which are expected to be zero), and on any CGT events relating to your shares), but it's not 100% free from doubt.


7. Until the ATO provides further clarity or the Australian tax legislation is updated: if you want to invest in foreign accumulating ETFs, you probably need to ask a tax expert to review the ETF prospectus and the underlying constitutional documents and form a view as to whether the ETF is more akin to a foreign company or a foreign trust. This might depend on a number of factors and is unlikely to be 100% clear in any case.

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