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Olivia_82(Enthusiast)Enthusiast
26 May 2022

Hello,


I previously traded shares on the market regularly and treated them on revenue account. My portfolio has now changed and I plan on holding the investments long term and receiving dividends from the shares i now on.


To account for this movement I would like to confirm if the following assumption for my tax is correct:


Opening trading value at lower of cost/market value $200,000

Deemed sale of shares at original cost - $150,000 - 1/7/22

Trading loss for the sale of shares ($50,000) deductible


Share value now on capital account at cost - $150,000.


If i was to sell these shares before 1/7/23 i would lose the benefit of the discount as 1/7/22 now becomes the share purchase date.


or does the market value substitution rule need to be used:


Opening value of shares at lower of cost or market- $200,000

Deemed market value of shares using market substitution rules - $400,000 at 1/7/22

Revenue gain - $200,000


CGT cost base - $400,000. CGT purchase date would be 1/7/22 and any shares sold would lose discount within 12 months.


I have read this forum and there is conflicting answers between the 2 ATO replies of using cost or MV substitution.


https://community.ato.gov.au/s/question/a0J9s0000001FMSEA2/p00035355


One states market value substitution rule and the other original cost base should be the consideration for the sale of the shares.


This link here says you use cost base so my first method would be correct - https://www.ato.gov.au/individuals/capital-gains-tax/shares-and-similar-investments/share-investing-versus-share-trading/


Any help you can provide would be most appreciated.




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Bruce4Tax(Taxicorn)Taxicorn
26 May 2022

Trading stock deemed sold for original cost.


Still need to wait 12 months for discount.


You need to follow:

https://www.ato.gov.au/individuals/capital-gains-tax/shares-and-similar-investments/share-investing-versus-share-trading/


Market substitution rule was for Investor to Trader - but is not applied the other way around.


We have a number of share trader clients, so have done the changeover a few times.


TaxedoMask(Devotee)Devotee
26 May 2022

You are treated as if you had sold it (at market value) and bought back at the same price.


See ITAA 1997 s70.110


In that sense, you acquired those shares for CGT purposes on that date rather than when you originally acquired it (for trading stock purposes). So I would agree, if you went from trading stock to capital asset on 1 July 2022, that's the date you use to determine eligibility for CGT discounting.


Your deemed sale (to "dispose" of your trading stock) on 1 July 2022 should also be at the market value on that date. Using the original cost does not appear to be correct.


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