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mucker973(Initiate)Initiate
8 June 2024

We recently spoke to a financial advisor and one of the topics was on making extra super contributions to take effect of the lower 15% rate. In particular it was around our carry-on forward contributions to effectively back date some payments (might be wrong wording but you get my meaning).

 

In the last two years I have moved into a high earning job, and I have already reached my concessional cap for the past two years as well as getting taxed at the highest rate.

However, one thing he advised was that for the previous years (let's use one

year as example with a outstanding of 10k on the cap), is to pay in this 10k,

and then at the end of the year I will get a tax deduction. I am just trying to

figure out the maths on this, and would like someone to confirm I have this

right.

 

Since this is considered an after-tax contribution, does this mean (all other things being equal), that I would get a tax return of 30% of this 10k? 30% being that the highest tax bracket this year is 45% - the 15% super.

 

In addition, I also pay the division 293, which is where you no longer get the 15% benefit for super and get taxed at the full 30% once over your cap. If by paying the 10k, and it

happens to reduce my income under this limit for div293, do I also gain the benefit of not have to pay the div293?

 

One last question:

We will be using our redraw account to top up the super (not using cash). If we use the 10k example, then this is the equivalent of taking out a 10k loan (because we will then get

charged interest on it for the term of the mortgage which is currently 25 years). Do the benefits of moving this cash to super outweigh the negatives of essentially

having to pay a 10k loan back over the same term? I would assume yes only under

one condition – that is that the interest on the mortgage is lower than the growth of the super each year, is this logic correct?

 

Disclaimer – I know there are other things in play, and you cannot predict the market of what will happen next year etc. I am giving this simplistic example, to confirm I understand only how these mechanisms work – I don’t need to be told that we can the re-invest the tax saving back into the mortgage, I know there is that benefit too. I just want to focus on what I’ve discussed and not complicate it with other things first. Feel free to add the extra complexities if you feel you want to, but please first answer my questions based on what I said only first.


Thanks in advance!

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TobyJDodd(Devotee)Registered Tax Professional
10 June 2024

Hi @mucker973


You are mixing together two completely different taxes and the way the previous years contributions works.


1) DIV 293 tax. (High Income Earner Tax) Which taxes you super contributions at an extra 15% when you earn over $250,000


2) Excess Contributions Tax. This tax applies when your contributions exceed your contribution threshold in a tax year. This tax is designed to remove and tax benefit from the contributions over the cap. It does this by taxing you at your marginal rate. It then gives you a 15% offset as this part is paid by your fund.


3) Previous years contributions. If you have not completely used a previous years contribution cap (last 5 year) this amount can be added to your current year cap. That’s all it does. This allows you to make greater contributions in the current tax year. You are not making backdated contributions. You also claim the deduction in the current tax year for the full concessional contribution. If you are required to pay Div 293 it will apply to the total contribution for the year.


Toby

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TobyJDodd(Devotee)Registered Tax Professional
9 June 2024

Hi @mucker973


RE Contribution)


No, not quote right, as you are a high-income earner (Income over $250,000) your super contributions will be taxed at 30%


You will pay will PAY $3,000 tax on the concessional contribution ($10,000 x 30%)


However, you will be able to claim the $10,000 as a tax deduction. If your marginal tax rate is 45% then you will get a tax benefit of $4,500. ($10,000 x 45%).


Therefore, by contributing the extra $10k you will save $1,500 in tax ($4,500 - $3,000)


YES, if your concessional contribution reduces your taxable income below the $250,000 threshold you can avoid the DIV293 tax, which will increase your tax saving to $3,000 ($4,500 - $1,500)


Re Benefit) I cannot provide financial advice on this forum, in general, your thinking is ok but you also need to consider the benefit of the tax deduction.


Toby





mucker973(Initiate)Initiate
10 June 2024

Hi Toby,

thanks for clearing most of that up for me. I am aware I get taxed at 30% - this really what the Div293 is am I right?


I specifically mentioned the back dating though to point out that I think I will only be taxed at 15% for these payments to top up my previous years contributions – to be clear, I am not talking about the current tax year, I mean topping up my previous years concessional caps. My understanding is that the extra 15% tax (to equal 30%), is not necessarily because you are a high earner, but more so because you go over your concessional cap for that year (but having a salary of 250k will automatically mean you will go over your cap). But since I am topping up the previous years, I should not get taxed at 30% but the standard 15%, as for those previous years I would not be going over the concessional cap. Is think thinking correct, or is it really just based on incoming alone?

mucker973(Initiate)Initiate
10 June 2024

One other point, to my other reply. Please take a look at this section https://www.ato.gov.au/individuals-and-families/super-for-individuals-and-families/super/growing-and-keeping-track-of-your-super/caps-limits-and-tax-on-super-contributions/concessional-contributions-cap#ato-Ifyouexceedyourconcessionalcontributionscap.


I might be wrong in my other reply and I am wondering if you are mistaken too (or that article is misleading). The article says you will be taxed at your marginal tax minus 15%. As you pointed out, for me this will be 30%. But it states, the reason you get the 15% offset, is because the super fund also taxes you the 15%. This would imply thatoverall, there is no tax saving at all for contributions over the cap. Read the second paragraph carefully in the link and please let me know your thoughts, or if I have read this wrong.


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