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kelly_au_cn(Initiate)Initiate
18 June 2024

When onboarding new clients, sometimes previous accountants don't provide us the BMS ID nor to transfer the Xero subscription to us. Since we use MYOB, I usually manually migrate the YTD into the new solution and call ATO to remove the STP data from Xero.

 

This had worked for one of my clients in the past but in the recent two cases, the agent hotline suggested they can't see the software id from previous providers, and cannot do

anything.

 

Since I don't have access to the subscription, there's no way for me to zero out or finalize the data in the Xero subscription.

 

I recently figured out that I can actually see the BMS ID from previous provider via the agent portal. After a call with MYOB support, I was suggested to go through the STP setup again and nominate to transfer the Xero BMS ID into my current MYOB subscription.


However, since I didn't transfer BMS ID in my initially setup, I can see the client is reporting on two BMS ID from two different providers. According to MYOB support, the

transfer nomination simply tells ATO that the BMS ID from MYOB will replace Xero's BMS ID but MYOB will still report on its own BMS ID and all the employees will see only one STP report.

 

However, after I made the transfer as well as sent update event, the STP reporting of some of the employees, which happened to be my client as well, still contains data from

both software providers and the numbers are doubled because I copied the YTD figure into MYOB.

 

By looking at ATO's document, I feel like I am on the path of Replacement of BMS ID or Payroll IDs, but I cannot see any changes after the transfer and the outcome doesn't seem to work as expected.


Given it's getting closer to EOFY, I'm looking for a clear path way that can have this issue resolved. Otherwise, the income data will be doubled for the employees.

 

https://www.ato.gov.au/businesses-and-organisations/hiring-and-paying-your-workers/single-touch-payroll/in-detail/single-touch-payroll-phase-2-employer-reporting-guidelines/changing-your-payroll-solution-or-employees-payroll-ids


Thanks in advance for reading such a long description and hopefully I've made it clear on the issue.

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PayrollDeanne(Taxicorn)Taxicorn
27 June 2024

Then it's time, @kelly_au_cn, to walk through what you did and how you did it because it works perfectly in other products and for other employers. If yours didn't work, then it didn't generate what was required. Check with your payroll product provider. The only move left, as it works perfectly for others. 🤔 Deanne

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PayrollDeanne(Taxicorn)Taxicorn
ATO Certified Response19 June 2024

Hiya @kelly_au_cn 👋


Yes, using the Replacement Method should resolve the issue if all of the employees were included in that update.


The Replacement Method is designed exactly for the purpose you have stated: the legacy payroll didn't "zero out" the final balances before the YTD data was migrated to the new payroll and therefore there is "doubling up" of Income Statements and PAYGW liability for the entity.


The intention is that you generate an update for all of the employees that you migrated into the new payroll product and enter the BMS Id that you sourced from the STP Overview in OSFA that represents the old payroll. The parent record for that update should include the new/current payroll BMS Id and the Previous BMS Id.


This is the instruction to alert the ATO that you have transferred the YTD amounts to a new payroll to replace the "current" Income Statements from the legacy payroll.


Are you saying some of them have been removed and others remain? How long ago did you do it? Perhaps the ATO are still in the process of validating the replacements?


Deanne

kelly_au_cn(Initiate)Initiate
26 June 2024

Hi Deanne,


I've check back in the agent portal and unfortunately I can still see two income statements in the client report.


I've also checked another individual client in a similar situation. When his company transferred to my practice, I perfomed the BMS ID transfer at the start of the setup, but the individual client, also the employee of the company, also has two income statements.


Based on my understanding, if I use the replacement method, I can safely copy over the YTD from previous provider and don't need to zero or finalize. But what I see so far makes me wonder if I'm on the right track. I'm not sure whether these income statements I see in agent portal will be the final one or not.


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PayrollDeanne(Taxicorn)Taxicorn
27 June 2024

Then it's time, @kelly_au_cn, to walk through what you did and how you did it because it works perfectly in other products and for other employers. If yours didn't work, then it didn't generate what was required. Check with your payroll product provider. The only move left, as it works perfectly for others. 🤔 Deanne

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