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PeterShipp(Newbie)Newbie
21 Nov 2024

My wife commenced PSS capped defined benefit superannuation income stream on 24 October 2022. This DOES NOT include a Death Benefit (Reversionary income stream). The following 2024 PAYG Summary is provided for example: Taxed Element $20,000; Untaxed Element $42,000; Tax Free Component $21,000 and Tax Withheld $1,200; and there is no Lump sum in arrears components. Firstly from my calculations the tax withheld is very close to the amount of tax I have calculated to be payable i.e. Tax on the $42,000 untaxed element is around $5,400 less the rebate ($42,000 @ 10%) $4,200 resulting in tax payable of $1,200 so I think all good at this point.


On reading the 2024 Tax Return Guide Completing your tax return for Item 7 I become confused. In a simplistic approach I would have thought the following to apply: (1) The tax withheld from the PAYG Summary of $1,200 is entered under the Tax Withheld column; (2)The taxable component from the PAYG Summary of $20,000 is entered at 7J; (3) The Untaxed element from the PAYG Summary is entered at 7N; I am unclear of the value to be inserted at 7M (but note potential approaches below); and (4) there are no values to be entered into 7Y or 7Z as previously noted there have been no receipt of Lump sum in arrears payments. I also understand at Tax Offset T2 I enter 10% of the Untaxed element identified at 7N i.e. $42,000 @ 10% or $4,200


On my further reading my concern is - Do I apply approach In Part C and Worksheet 2 or Part D Worksheet 3A and 3B?


When I complete Part C approach I do not insert any values in 7J or 7Y. For 7M the following calculation would apply (a) Tax free component + Taxed element = $41,000; (b) Benefit cap $118,750; (c) subtracting (b) from (a) is a negative value resulting in a $0 value for (c) and (d). My understing for this approach is: 7J leave blank; 7N insert Untaxed element $42,000; 7M is $0; 7Y leave blank; and 7Z leave blank as no benefit received.


OR


When I complete Part D Step 1 Worksheet 3A and 3B I have the following (a) Number of days in 2023-24 from when first started to receive income stream 366; (b) My wife turned 60 before starting to receive the revenue stream which was on 24 October therefore number of days to 30 June 2024 is 616; (c) Number of days receiving a reversionary stream is 0 as no reversioary income was received; (d) result here is the highest number which is 616. Worksheet B (e) is 616/366*100 = 168; (f) 168*$1,000 = $168,000; (g) Tax free component from PAYG Summary $21,000 + Taxed Element $20,000 for a total of $41,000; (h) subtracting f from g is less than $0 therefore enter $0; (i) divide (h) by 2 and still have $0. Based on this I thought I would complete 7J $20,000; 7N $42,000; 7M $0; 7Y $0; and 7Z $0.


Advice on the correct approach would be most welcome. Regards


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Bruce4Tax(Taxicorn)Taxicorn
21 Nov 2024

Overthinking.


If age 60+, then taxed and tax free amounts are not shown on tax return.


DB income stream providers must show all elements, in case total of all DB income streams is more than 118,780 because that may limit T2 amount.


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Bruce4Tax(Taxicorn)Taxicorn
21 Nov 2024

Overthinking.


If age 60+, then taxed and tax free amounts are not shown on tax return.


DB income stream providers must show all elements, in case total of all DB income streams is more than 118,780 because that may limit T2 amount.


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