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max.p(Newbie)Newbie
10 Feb 2025

Hello, my question is very similar to question 5 in this post: https://community.ato.gov.au/s/question/a0JRF000002D6BJ2A0/p00330312


I am potentially looking at setting up debt recycling for future investments. I want to borrow to invest in a dividend paying ETF.

Example:

I borrowed 500k at 5% interest rate on 1 of July 2024 and purchased 500k worth of ETF with 1% dividend yield.

By 30 of June 2025 I've received 5k of dividends and still hold that ETF so no capital gain tax yet. I also paid 25k interest on the loan. Let's say unrealised capital gain is 50k.

My other income is solely from full time employment - 250k. Total income with dividends from ETF is 255k.

What portion of 25k interest from the loan I can claim as tax deduction?


Does dividend yield on the ETF matter? It could be 0.5% or 4% depending on what ETF I end up buying.

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YellowPotato(Taxicorn)Taxicorn
10 Feb 2025

  1. You used loan to purchase ETF. If the ETF expected to consistently produce distributions then it is an income producing asset so you should be able to claim 25k interest as an interest deduction. Just be aware you are losing money to save on tax.
  2. No, dividend yield does not matter. What matters is that it is expected to produce income. ETFs such as gold and non-dividend shares would not be an ideal asset for the purpose of claiming the interest expense as an interest deduction or dividend deduction. If it's not income producing, the interest goes into the cost base.


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YellowPotato(Taxicorn)Taxicorn
10 Feb 2025

  1. You used loan to purchase ETF. If the ETF expected to consistently produce distributions then it is an income producing asset so you should be able to claim 25k interest as an interest deduction. Just be aware you are losing money to save on tax.
  2. No, dividend yield does not matter. What matters is that it is expected to produce income. ETFs such as gold and non-dividend shares would not be an ideal asset for the purpose of claiming the interest expense as an interest deduction or dividend deduction. If it's not income producing, the interest goes into the cost base.


max.p(Newbie)Newbie
11 Feb 2025

Thank you. This matches my expectations and what I read on the ATO website.

Today I've found this ruling with an example (example 1) that is somewhat related:


Example 1

47. Mr Chancer receives a prospectus inviting participation as an investor in a cattle breeding scheme. The scheme promoters arrange for each investor to borrow $100,000 for the right to participate in the scheme. The interest is payable over the life of the scheme and is financed by a 'round robin' of cheques. Under the scheme, substantial losses are to arise for investors in the first 5 years, small losses in the next 6 years and large net incomes over the final 5 years.


48. Over the 16 year agreement the total of the anticipated assessable income is expected to exceed the total outgoings of interest. However, every investor has the option of terminating his or her participation before the large net incomes arise without incurring personal liability on any outstanding borrowings.


49. Mr Chancer derives considerable assessable income from other sources and considers the investment to be excellent in view of the tax deductions offered by the promoters.


50. A commonsense weighing of all the relevant evidence indicates that the scheme is not expected to run its full course and Mr Chancer's dominant purpose in entering the scheme is to incur the outgoings in order to minimise his tax liability. In the circumstances, as the total anticipated allowable deductions will far exceed the total assessable income reasonably expected to be derived until the time of termination, the excess of the outgoings over the assessable income will not be deductible under subsection 51(1).


My purpose is not to reduce tax liability, but to make profit from capital gains. Not exactly the same, but somewhat related.

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