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luffyluffy(Initiate)Initiate
8 July 2021

Let's say I buy 1 btc for $101 dollars and $100 is spent on btc and $1 on exchange fees and GST.

Then I transfer it from binance to my hardware wallet(because nobody should keep significant amounts on exchanges)which costs 0.01 btc. Since the value of btc is worth $100 dollars the cost of transferring it is $1(0.01btc) miner fee.

then after a couple months I transfer from my hardware wallet when 1 btc is worth 200 which costs 0.01 btc to send to my binance account.this results in a miners fee of $2.

I then sell 0.98 btc when the price is $200 for $196. However binance takes a $1 fee so I end up with $195.

Amount that my btc is worth (Base) = 100Exchange fee and GST paid to buy btc = $1Fee when withdrawing = 0.01 btc worth $1.Fee when depositing = 0.01 btc worth $2.Exchange fee when selling = $1Cost base = 100+1+1+2 + 1 = 105

Sold 0.98 btc = $195 (after $1 exchange fee which reduces from $196 to $195)Gains = proceeds - cost base = 195 - 105 = $90

Does this look correct? The guides on the site are not helpful because they don't take wallet transfers into account and nobody who owns more than 1k of crypto should ever leave it sitting on an exchange due to the possibility of a hack. I found this thread from an old user and the result he got doesn't look right even to him. Does the formula used to calculate cgt break if the result is negative?

https://community.ato.gov.au/t5/Cryptocurrency/Fee-taken-from-within-the-original-buy-amount/m-p/110984#M2486

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Buy 1 ETH @ $100.

Withdraw 1 ETH.

Withdrawal Fee of 0.5 ETH. Price at withdrawal is $100 per ETH. So no capital gain on 'sell as fee'.

Remaining Amount of 0.5 ETH.

Sell 0.5 ETH @ 100 for $50.

(proceeds) - (cost base + fees) = capital gain.

Generic answer method, that is normally used for 'additive AUD fees'. i.e. with no regard to a fee coming from the original cost base.

($50) - (100 + 50) = - $100

My method. Split original buy in half. 0.5 of ETH is used as a $50 withdrawal fee. Add this to remaining 0.5eth/$50 of the reduced cost base. Sell remaining 0.5 ETH for $50.

($50) - (50 + 50) = - $50

Obviously to me it's the 2nd method. I lost $50 overall from buy to sell. It's basic maths to know if I pay 100, have a fee of 50, and sell for 50, that I lost $50.

I certainly didn't lose $100.

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AriATO(Community Support)Community Support
12 July 2021

Hi @luffyluffy

There are a few methods on here that you have highlighted and after reading through them I can see how it can be confusing.

If you have read our responses on the threads you have visited so far and you're still unsure, then you may want to get confirmation from our Early engagement team.

See our website to request an Early engagementEarly engagement discussion.

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luffyluffy(Initiate)Initiate
9 July 2021

I believe treefairy might have the best solution here

https://community.ato.gov.au/t5/Cryptocurrency/Capital-gains-on-withdrawal-fees/m-p/107665

Basically she said to ignore it because the deduction will be taken into account when you dispose the remaining asset. So If I lose 0.02 eth in transactions fees and I dispose 0.98 then that will be reflected in the total sold amount.

So my new calculations are

Amount that my btc is worth (Base) = 100

Exchange fee and GST paid to buy btc = $1

Fee when withdrawing = 0.01 btc worth $1.

Fee when depositing = 0.01 btc worth $2.

Exchange fee when selling = $1

Cost base = 100+1+ 1 = 102

Sold 0.98 btc = $195 (after $1 exchange fee which reduces from $196 to $195)

Gains = proceeds - cost base = 195 - 102 = $93

BlakeATO(Community Support)Community Support
31 Aug 2021

Hi @luffyluffy

We haven't made any changes to how crypto CGT is calculated. The website has been updated to make things clearer, and easier to understand, but nothing has changed about the way we view crypto.

Keep in mind that it will be different if you're an investor versus a trader. Investors hold for longer periods on a smaller scale, versus traders who hold for shorter times and trade on larger scales.

You can read about crypto as an investment versus crypto businesses on our website.

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