Loading
This thread is archived and the information may not be up-to-date. You can't reply to this thread.
TommyBoy(Master)Master
3 Sept 2022

I understand the law around minor's income - taxed at 66% over $416pa unless excepted income or excepted person, in which case normal adult rates on that income. However I cannot find in MyTax where to record how much of the income is excepted income (ie is subject to adult (ie lower) rates). This is question A1 on the paper tax return and is mandatory on the paper return if under 18. If left blank on paper return all income is taxed at the higher rate (or so the paper return says). Bizarrely, in My Tax there is no A1 equivalent, rather it just defaults to "all of your income will be taxed at normal rates" which it now seems means not the normal minor rate (ie higher rate) but rather the lower adult rate - despite MyTax knowing the child's age, and knowing that the only income is very likely not "excepted" income (bank interest and managed funds). This appears to have been a problem since the introduction of MyTax, with the exception of 17-18 year. 21/22 is the first year where this makes any practical difference for my kids, and I am trying to amend their returns as they have received a refund when they should have had a liability. The portion of MyTax where it reads "all income will be taxed at normal [sic] rates" does not allow for amendment.


Where in MyTax is the entry for the equivalent of A1 on the paper return? Am I not seeing it because I have not selected a particular option at step 3 of the MyTax return? I have doublechecked step 3 and all of the relevant boxes are checked correctly. I would much rather amend online than have to send in a snailmail.


I also note that this probably means that many minors with unearned income have probably been paying too little tax ever since MyTax in 2016 - due to poor MyTax programming - but as that is not my kids' case (other than 21/22, which I'm fixing), that's ATO's problem to address.

1,318 views
5 replies
1,318 views
5 replies

Most helpful response

Most helpful reply

TommyBoy(Master)Master
14 Sept 2022

Hi @KylieATO and @EdenATO,


So the ATO called me back today with a workaround for this issue, which requires answers in MyTax being not strictly correct but which then opens up the Under-18 income section in "Adjustments", allowing the breakdown between excepted and other income to be entered, and hence calculating tax liability for minors correctly.

The workaround is as follows:

At Step 3 of MyTax, tick the box marked "You were a sole trader or had business income or losses, partnership or trust distributions (not from a managed fund)" (this is strictly incorrect, the income WAS from managed funds);

Then of the sub-boxes that then appear, tick "trust income" (again, strictly incorrect);

Then go to Step 4 of MyTax and the Under-18 income section will be available to be opened and completed (or amended). Enter the relevant details there (in our case of all income being from interest and managed funds, and the minor not being an 'excepted person', the answers were all $0 or 'No');

Assuming all other parts of MyTax have been correctly filled out, tax liability is then correctly calculated at the higher rate for minors.


The ATO officer told me that I was correct to identify this as a programming fault, and it has now been the subject of a recommendation to fix for MyTax 22-23, but it will not be fixed for 21-22 or earlier years. The above workaround will be recommended instead.


Can I ask that @EdenATO or @KylieATO mark this 'reply' of mine to my own question as the "most helpful answer"? It's the only one that contains a solution.


Thanks

All replies

EdenATO(Community Support)Community Support
7 Sept 2022

Hello there @TommyBoy

 

Sorry to hear about your troubles with the changes to MyTax.

 

The law relating to minor's income is investment income related. For this reason MyTax has been adjusted to only show these labels when needed.

 

When preparing your return (page 3) you need to select You had Australian interest, or other Australian income or losses from investments or property. Tick any options that apply and move on the page 4

 

On page 4 you need to fill out the return with the investment income. The adjustments section will not change until more than $416 has been entered in the return. The adjustments section will change after this is done. You will now need to answer more questions to determine the right tax rate for the income reported.

Loading
Where to record children's excepted income in MyTax (old Q A1 on paper return) | ATO Community