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jla(Initiate)Initiate
17 Aug 2023

I already talked over the phone with your colleague at ATO Business Line [removed by moderator] a couple of weeks ago in relation to the incorrect 'Non-Commercial Losses Threshold' error message on My.Gov Tax return.


As an example:

  • My full time PAGY salary: $165k (Tax withheld $49k - this line is pre-filled by the employer).
  • Business activity loss: $104k (this is not included in the above salary of $165k).

Therefore, the Taxable Income is $61k (as calculated and shown at the end of My.Gov return).


However, when I clicked on 'Calculate Tax ESTIMATE', it asked me to Fix the following errors: Non-commercial losses must be less than non-commercial loss threshold.


When I rang up ATO about this error message, I was told that I had to add the business loss $104k to my salary $165k, which would total to $269k (which is higher than the $250k non-commercial loss threshold and which explains why the above error message is displayed).  I honestly don't think it is fair to report $269k as income when I did not earn this much.


Reading the ATO page: https://www.ato.gov.au/business/non-commercial-losses/the-income-requirement/ and follow the Taxable Income Calculation Example therein, I don't think I was given accurate information in that phone call and it is why I am emailing this query again.  Based on the example given on the ATO page, my Taxable Income for the purpose of the income requirement test should be $165k (taxable income $61k and add back the business loss $104k OR another way of calculating it is just ignore the business activity loss). $165k is below the $250k threshold and thus, the above error message should not be displayed.


Therefore, I would be very much appreciated if you would please help me to finish off my online return, as currently it doesn't let me go any further due to the highlighted error at the top that asks me to Fix the following errors: Non-commercial losses must be less than non-commercial loss threshold. I was told in that phone call that I should enter a LOSS-CODE number 8 to defer the entire loss because I don't pass the income requirement test.  However, from what I explained above, I believe that I do pass the income requirement test and also pass 1 of the 4 tests in the next step, which will then allow me to offset my business loss against my salary in this current year 2022/2023.


I look forward to hearing your response. Thank you.


Kind Regards,

jla

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DanielleATO(Community Support)Community Support
21 Aug 2023

Hi @jla,


That link you have included is great.


When you look at calculating the income for the threshold. You need to include all the sources of income. Can you check you've done that?


When you look at the section for total investment losses it has a great example of what is included. 

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DanielleATO(Community Support)Community Support
21 Aug 2023

Hi @jla,


That link you have included is great.


When you look at calculating the income for the threshold. You need to include all the sources of income. Can you check you've done that?


When you look at the section for total investment losses it has a great example of what is included. 

mfwhatever(I'm new)I'm new
29 Oct 2023

Hi @DanielleATO,


I just wanted to add that I'm having exactly the same issue. The ATO websites referred to in the original post and your reply state that the threshold is calculated as:


the taxable income (including the business loss and any deductions) +

reportable fringe benefits +

reportable super contributions +

the business loss (i.e., added back into the taxable income)


My threshold income (calculated that way) is nowhere near $250k , but mytax gives me the error: "Non-commercial losses must be less than non-commercial loss threshold" and won't let me proceed. However, like the OP, if the business loss amount is added to my income before losses and deductions are taken away, then it does exceed $250k.


This seems to me to be an error in mytax. Is there someone at the ATO who can verify that mytax is calculating the threshold correctly?


Thanks.

CatherineATO(Community Support)Community Support
31 Oct 2023

Hey @mfwhatever,


Can you confirm in mytax under the business income, the correct income amount is showing for net non primary production, under Business Income or Losses. Check if the loss details are recorded correctly, and select the rule that applies to make it deductible. Enter the amount (without - sign) in the breakdown section.


Let us know how that goes!


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