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20 Apr 2024

I am trying to figure out the rules for buying shares (or managed funds) on behalf of my kids. I have read the information on the ATO website on this (https://www.ato.gov.au/individuals-and-families/investments-and-assets/investing-in-shares/owning-shares/children-s-share-investments), as well as numerous questions and answers here, but I remain completely confused. I think the ATO website needs to be updated to address this.


The ATO website states:

"If the shareholder is the:

  • child, quote the child's TFN
  • parent, as trustee for the child, and
    • no formal trust exists, quote the parent's TFN
    • there is a formal trust, quote the trust's TFN."

The first part of this makes no sense. In Australia, a child cannot own shares directly, so the shareholder (assuming that means the legal owner) cannot be a child. However, according to this guidance, the only circumstances under which a child's TFN should be quoted is if the child is the legal owner - a situation that cannot occur.


The examples then further confuse matters - in particular example 2:

"Sara buys shares for her child, Michael, with money given to him for his birthday. Sara holds the shares for the benefit of Michael with the share broker until he turns 18. No formal trust deed has been created. Sara quotes Michael's TFN when she buys the shares."


Why does Sara quote Michael's TFN when Michael (the child) is not the shareholder? In this example, Sara is the shareholder, holding the shares in trust for Michael, and apparently no formal trust exists, so in accordance with the ATO guidance, shouldn't Sara quote her own TFN? Even if a formal trust did exist, then she should quote the trust's TFN.

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YEP(Devotee)Devotee
20 Apr 2024

The answer to your question is on the same ATO website page:


"Quoting a tax file number

When you buy shares, you have a choice whether you quote a tax file number (TFN).

If you quote a TFN, you pay taxes on the dividends when you lodge the tax return. If the shareholder is the:

  • child, quote the child's TFN
  • parent, as trustee for the child, and
    • no formal trust exists, quote the parent's TFN
    • there is a formal trust, quote the trust's TFN.
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A child can apply for a tax file number (TFN) – there is no minimum age. Children are not exempt from quoting a TFN.

If you don't quote a TFN, pay as you go (PAYG) tax will be withheld at 47% from the unfranked amount of your dividend income.

21 Apr 2024

You don’t seem to have read my post. I quoted the exact same excerpt as you, and explained why it doesn’t make sense (a child is not allowed to directly own shares in Australia). I’m not really sure what your reply was intended to achieve, but it does not address my questions.

Looking4info(I'm new)I'm new
20 Nov 2024

Hi there,

I am wondering if you ended up getting a reply from the ATO about this query?

My reading of their info page is the same as yours - seems very incongruous and confusing.

Thanks

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