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9 June 2024

As I understand it, Accumulation Account earnings are a Taxable Taxed element, and subject to tax in the hands of a non-dependent beneficiary. Income stream earnings are tax free in the superannuant's hands after 60. But are they posted as a true Taxfree element, or are they Taxable Taxed like Accumulation account ones are, & thus still subject to tax in the hands of a non-dependent beneficiary? Similarly if they are commuted back to an Accumulation account, are the earnings which accumulated in the income stream still a Taxfree Element? (Reference please if available)

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Bruce4Tax(Taxicorn)Taxicorn
10 June 2024

But are they posted as a true Taxfree element, or are they Taxable Taxed like Accumulation account ones are, & thus still subject to tax in the hands of a non-dependent beneficiary?


Yes - look at your member account, where you will see the taxed element increasing each year.


https://www.ato.gov.au/tax-and-super-professionals/for-superannuation-professionals/apra-regulated-funds/paying-benefits/calculating-components-of-a-super-benefit



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Bruce4Tax(Taxicorn)Taxicorn
10 June 2024

But are they posted as a true Taxfree element, or are they Taxable Taxed like Accumulation account ones are, & thus still subject to tax in the hands of a non-dependent beneficiary?


Yes - look at your member account, where you will see the taxed element increasing each year.


https://www.ato.gov.au/tax-and-super-professionals/for-superannuation-professionals/apra-regulated-funds/paying-benefits/calculating-components-of-a-super-benefit



10 June 2024

Thankyou @Bruce4Tax for bothering to reply.

Just to be clear, I am only concerned with the status of NEW earnings earned within the Income Stream from time of setup, not those carried in (or, assume none are carried in). I do not have an income stream account to see how it works, and I don't see anything in the link which clearly talks about earnings accruing within an Income Stream account of a person over 60. It is unclear if the information at the top of the link applies to Income Streams & I do not know if they are amounts the Fund has to pay tax on. So,


Are you saying Yes to new Income Stream earnings after 60 are Taxable Taxed like Accumulation account ones are, & thus still subject to tax in the hands of a non-dependent beneficiary?

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JM_84(Champion)Champion
10 June 2024

In an accumulation account, the tax-free is determined based on amounts contributed that count toward this component (such as personal after-tax savings or non-concessional contributions). At a point in time, such as when the trustee needs to pay a lump sum or commence a pension, the underlying tax-free and taxable components are determined. As the tax-free is determined based on actual dollar amounts received, the taxable component will be a balancing figure. Therefore, any earnings will form part of the taxable component.


When a super pension is commenced, the proportion of the tax-free and taxable are determined at that time (the commencement of the pension). For example, 30% tax-free and 70% taxable. These proportions are retained throughout the lifetime of that pension. If the account balance in the pension increases, this means that 30% would be attributed to the tax-free and 70% to the taxable component. On the page Bruce provided - the heading 'income stream benefits' provides additional information. '


If you move your pension back to accumulation, the tax-free portion is identified as a dollar amount. Any future earnings are added to the taxable component.


Regardless whether a person has super savings in accumulation phase or pension phase, the underlying tax components retain those characteristics and may give rise to tax implications for non-tax dependants.

11 June 2024

Thankyou very much @JM_84. So if there is no taxable component when the income stream is started, there will be 0% Taxable element in that account. This means earnings earned within that income stream are not creating any taxable element $ for a nondependant beneficiary, correct? Which would be different to earnings accumulating in an accumulation account, correct? And if there were a proportion of taxable funds in the initial income stream amount, the higher that proportion is, the higher the proportion of the earnings that would also become a taxable element in the hands of a nondependant beneficiary, right?


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