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_laceceat(Newbie)Newbie
27 Apr 2021

Hi guys just an introduction I am a 19 year old that made a good amount of money through luck and skill recently.

So a few months ago I deposited 3k into binance and used that to trade memecoins or sh$tcoins on uniswap. The problem is that I have conducted thousands of trades through multiple wallets and have turned that 3k into 250k and don't know how to figure out the tax to cash out. I have 0 AUD fiat and don't know how I'm going to get a professional accountant so please help and direct me.

The problem is that I've got thousands of transactions that I cannot track back on the price so can I just declare the tax based on the initial 3k deposit and 250k portfolio worth? Also if I were to pay for this tax I would have to withdraw my crypto to pay for it correct? Which means I would also have to pay the disposal tax aswell, which is a major dilemma. I worked really hard for these gains and want to save as much tax as possible. I currently hold most of the crypto in eth and if I were to hold it for a year am I still eligible for the 50% off discount even though I've traded the sh$tcoins into eth in less than 12 months? I really plan to hold the crypto and do not want to pay the tax on it yet since if I were to pay the tax I'd have to sell my eth which could be worth 10x in the next year. Is there any way possible around this. Someone please help a desperate kid cash out on his hard work.

Thank you all so much

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BlakeATO(Community Support)Community Support
ATO Certified Response29 Apr 2021

Hi @laceceat

Wow, what a success story!

@Bruce4Tax is right. You're going to be a trader, not an investor.

This means you're running a business. This means you work under business income tax rules, not capital gains ones.

Let me be clear why that's a good thing, though. As @Bruce4Tax said, if you were under capital gain rules, every time you disposed of one crypto for another, you would be liable for tax on that. You wouldn't be eligible for any discount methods, since you didn't hold the exact same asset for 12 months.

As a business, your crypto is a trading stock. This means you'll need to do stock-take at the end of the year. When you value trading stock, an increase in your stocks value over the year is assessable income, while a decrease is an allowable deduction. This means you'll be liable for income tax on your trading earnings, even if it's still held as cryptocurrency.

You're going to want to consider your options. You can either do hard research and learn about the tax side of running a business (as a trader is a business) and learn how to complete your tax return yourself, or you can get some help from (or pass the reins pretty entirely to) a tax agent. Either way, you're going to end up having to pay tax on your earnings.

You can read more on our website about investor or trading? and valuing trading stock on our website.

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Bruce4Tax(Taxicorn)Taxicorn
27 Apr 2021

I currently hold most of the crypto in eth and if I were to hold it for a year am I still eligible for the 50% off discount even though I've traded the sh$tcoins into eth in less than 12 months?

You appear to be a trader in crypto, rather than investor. This means that you may be taxable on the buys and sells in the same way as a share trader - taxable income = sales less cost of stock sold, less expenses.

Even if you are not classed as a trader, then you have triggered a capital gain or loss every time you sold a parcel of crypto - whether for AUD or for another crypto.

Either way, you have a tax liability now.

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BlakeATO(Community Support)Community Support
ATO Certified Response29 Apr 2021

Hi @laceceat

Wow, what a success story!

@Bruce4Tax is right. You're going to be a trader, not an investor.

This means you're running a business. This means you work under business income tax rules, not capital gains ones.

Let me be clear why that's a good thing, though. As @Bruce4Tax said, if you were under capital gain rules, every time you disposed of one crypto for another, you would be liable for tax on that. You wouldn't be eligible for any discount methods, since you didn't hold the exact same asset for 12 months.

As a business, your crypto is a trading stock. This means you'll need to do stock-take at the end of the year. When you value trading stock, an increase in your stocks value over the year is assessable income, while a decrease is an allowable deduction. This means you'll be liable for income tax on your trading earnings, even if it's still held as cryptocurrency.

You're going to want to consider your options. You can either do hard research and learn about the tax side of running a business (as a trader is a business) and learn how to complete your tax return yourself, or you can get some help from (or pass the reins pretty entirely to) a tax agent. Either way, you're going to end up having to pay tax on your earnings.

You can read more on our website about investor or trading? and valuing trading stock on our website.

_laceceat(Newbie)Newbie
30 Apr 2021

Hi how would I go about paying for the tax, if I have no fiat and convert the crypto to fiat to pay for the tax is that also a taxable event?

JodieR_ATO(Community Support)Community Support
5 May 2021

@laceceat,

If you have a tax debt to pay, you may be able to enter into a payment arrangement after your Notice of assessment (NOA) issues. The NOA is the outcome to your lodged return. If you convert cryptocurrency to pay for the debt then yes it may be looked at as a taxable event.

You can discuss these matters with a tax agent. Bear in mind they would charge you for completing a return on your behalf. They can advise your payment options with them and assist you with setting up a payment arrangement with us too.

Tax agents - when clients have a tax debt.

How to pay a tax debt.

All the best.

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