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ourtax(Newbie)Newbie
2 Mar 2022


Is there an ATO form that will allow an SMSF to apply for a refund of franking credits during the financial year?


These forms for Individuals and income exempt entities currently exist.


The Australian tax office have forms:

Application for refund of franking credits for individuals NAT 4098

Application for refund of franking credits –

      Endorsed income tax exempt entities and deductible gift recipients NAT 4131


Currently there is no ability to apply for a refund of franking credits for SMSF's throughout the financial year.

Is there legislation stating that a refund of franking credits cannot be allowed during the financial year? If so, can this be changed?


The problem is cash flow. Most SMSF's invest in Australian shares that issue dividends that are franked.

There is likely thousands of Australians who are in pension phase with their Self Managed Super Funds.


The franking credits can form up to 30 percent of a retires income (Exempt current Pension Income - ECPI). This part of an SMSF income is unavailable until (usually) an accountant completes and lodges the funds tax return after June 2021.

The entirety of the dividend is to support Retirement phase income streams, but as detailed below, the franked portion isn't available for many, many months to support the income stream.


Depending on an accountant's work load they have until 16 May 2022 to lodge the Funds tax return.

Some of their clients may be earlier, but there will be those at the bottom of the list that are lodged last.


To demonstrate...

For the FY 2020-21, some Corporations issue franked dividends in July 2020.

For the dividends issued in July 2020, this could be a wait of 22 months before the franking credits are refunded.

For any dividends issued in August 2020, this could be a wait of 21 months before the franking credits are refunded.

For any dividends issued in September 2020, this could be a wait of 20 months before the franking credits are refunded. and so forth.


It has been suggested to only invest in shares that issue non franked dividends. This would be a poor choice as there are not many companies that do this. The returns are woeful. An SMSF may only last half as long, resulting in the retiree's needing support with the government age pension.



Conversely, for an individual’s income, the Quarterly Instalment activity statement NAT 4197 (PAYG) form is used to make tax payments to the tax office each 3 months during the financial year.

For SMSF income streams the cash flow would be eased considerably if they could apply for a refund of franking credits each 3 months say of the financial Year. These refunds would be consolidated with the normal end of year tax return.

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ourtax(Newbie)Newbie
13 Mar 2022


The SMSF will lodge its usual annual tax return.


Franking credits will be shown on the SMSF tax return.


If an SMSF could apply for a refund of franking credits during the financial year a few possibilities follow on how it could work.


The refund of franking credits (plus forms) will negate the franking credits to be shown on the tax return.

OR

Both the franking credits and the refund of franking credits will be shown on the SMSF tax return.

OR

The refund of franking credits could be applied for online with dividend statements uploaded to support the application. There would be no change to the current tax return lodgement with the franking credits shown. When the tax return is processed, the ATO would consolidate any refunds with the tax return and recalculate the refund.

OR

Other ??


For an already complex tax system, adding another say half percent to the SMSF rules is a very small price compared to the benefit for the thousands of SMSF retirees whose income stream has been hobbled.


To have a considerable part of an SMSF income stream deferred possibly until quite late in the following financial year simply because of a process, is unacceptable.


The ability to have 100 percent of your income stream (from ECPI) available in the same financial year would be of enormous benefit to the thousands of SMSF retirees in pension phase.

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Bruce4Tax(Taxicorn)Taxicorn
2 Mar 2022

The SMSF must lodge an annual tax return, unlike individuals who may not be required to lodge.


Franking credits must be shown on the SMSF tax return.


As an accountant and SMSF auditor, I would see this as an addition of needless complexity to the SMSF tax system.



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ourtax(Newbie)Newbie
13 Mar 2022


The SMSF will lodge its usual annual tax return.


Franking credits will be shown on the SMSF tax return.


If an SMSF could apply for a refund of franking credits during the financial year a few possibilities follow on how it could work.


The refund of franking credits (plus forms) will negate the franking credits to be shown on the tax return.

OR

Both the franking credits and the refund of franking credits will be shown on the SMSF tax return.

OR

The refund of franking credits could be applied for online with dividend statements uploaded to support the application. There would be no change to the current tax return lodgement with the franking credits shown. When the tax return is processed, the ATO would consolidate any refunds with the tax return and recalculate the refund.

OR

Other ??


For an already complex tax system, adding another say half percent to the SMSF rules is a very small price compared to the benefit for the thousands of SMSF retirees whose income stream has been hobbled.


To have a considerable part of an SMSF income stream deferred possibly until quite late in the following financial year simply because of a process, is unacceptable.


The ability to have 100 percent of your income stream (from ECPI) available in the same financial year would be of enormous benefit to the thousands of SMSF retirees in pension phase.

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